First of all I’m not a member of the Democratic party if that’s what you’re refering to. I’m just not socially conservative. I feel that EVERY taxpaying citizen has rights. From your comments I’m guessing that makes you think that makes me un-American. Of course I really don’t care what you think because I love this country every bit as much as you.

With that being said I’ll go ahead and address your questions/comments. Even though I’m not a dem I highly doubt that they hate freedom. Just because they don’t like to jump into crazy and expensive wars like the other party doesn’t make that so.

And I’m as hard working, middle class and hetro as you’re going to find so you’re wrong on that one as well. I won’t go over the rest of the items on your list becaause it just makes me feel silly even responding to them.

I will say this though. You are the classic example of someone who’s posed with a question and instead of answering it attacks the questioner instead. You really do belong in politics!

You’ve stated that you’re well educated. Here’s some reading material for you

http://www.openelections.org/recount/ohio_reports/

This link is regarding the recount of ‘04 that was caused by the Libertarian and Green parties. No they aren’t parties of homos so just relax. After you’ve read the FACTS then talk to me about how the Democractic party has the market cornered on rigging elections.

I don’t really care who does it Matt. Fixing elections just pisses me off more then any other issue that is spoken of. Why? Because I’m as American as Apple Pie.

And if you’re as American as you state you are then I’m sure that you took a look at your OWN party and SCREAMED bullshit. You probably didn’t though because you were just glad that your man won. That’s not being American dude that’s just being a plain old Republican.

Good for you. You’re a Republican. Congratulations

JohnFreakinG

“Here’s hoping that Matt doesn’t find the organization that he is looking for, because the last thing this country needs is more hate, more fear, and more ignorance….”

Hate, fear and ignorance are the hallmarks of liberals/socialists/commies/homos.

Since the topic is suddenly about me, I’ll respond thusly.

I fear nothing.
I hate liberalism/socialism/communism/anti-Americanism.
I am very well educated.

The organization I am in search of will be organized and attended to by passionate men similar to the patriots who held a little ‘Tea Party’ a couple hundred years ago and will not be dissuaded by the liberal derisions of lesser men.

If, at some point you have a sudden surge of patriotism, you are welcome to join us.

It’s funny to see a liberal whine about ‘voter fraud’ and ‘hatred’. Your ‘party’ hates freedom, productive citizens, liberty, middle class, plumbers, fair elections [ACORN], prosperity, patriotism, women, home-schooling, Christians, whites, males, heterosexuals and puppies.

Fortunately for you, puppies can’t vote.

As for your supposed gun ownership, good for you. It’s nice to see a socialist who hasn’t completely gone off the deep end……yet.

But my question to is this: When your party decides to disregard the Constitution [as it does regularly] and knock on your door demanding your guns, what will you do?

Things that make you go ‘Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm’.

I agree with you 100% … if you have kids they should be your priority on this planet, but I just don’t see that happening around me. This would solve a bevy of topics if parents were strong role models. I could not agree more.

John G , I think we agree on the goals it is the path that gets us there seems to be the issue.
If someone can figure out universal healthcare that is fair to all I am in. If not …

I too think that Libertarian Party goes to far but that would be balanced by other parties in my opinion.

I don’t have kids so I will shut up on that issue and ask all to be loving , focused parents but I know this just isn’t happening on a large scale.
I am not bitching about healthcare, I just want a balanced way to go and I have never heard a plan that I find copacetic, and I do concede that drug companies have gone too far. As for the environment, you will have to hug the trees …I have allergies…

CARRY ON.

T

Imagine yourself way back in time and the government didn’t step in and limit the amount of market share that Standard Oil could dominate. Our country would now be the United States of Standard Oil and there would always be a Rockefeller in the White House.

My point is that, although the Feds role has gotten WAY too big, it is the only enterprise strong enough to keep a level playing field among the states, big business, the rich and the poor, etc. Do I subscribe to Obama’s theory of redistribution? Of course not. Every individual is guaranteed the right to PURSUE happiness (as opposed to the right to just be happy and happiness is granted by the government).

As far as education and indoctrination Tony. You’ve brought the subject up several times regarding the governments role in educating our children. There are requirements that you listed that may be “socialized”. However you’re leaving out a key ingredient which are parents. My children may get basic education skills at school (reading , writing, etc ………) but their IDEALS are formed through my wife and myself by the model of the way we live our life, the church that we attend, the way that we spend/save money etc ………………

Now I’m not saying that all parents provide a good example in those areas. I’m saying that you’re examples of government provided education are brought forth as if that education is the only one that our children get. As far as I’m concerned I think government provided education is wonderful! Because back in the old days the ONLY ones that were provided a formal education were the wealthy.

Again it goes back to my basic prob with the conservatives. They bitch when the libs talk about universal healthcare and don’t say a word when big business (the rich) is given the go ahead to destroy our environment to maximize profits.

If that doesn’t show a major leaning of policy in the favor of the rich then I’m stumped. I’m not talking about class warfare and propping up the poor. I’m talking about keeping the field level for everyone. If it makes me a “treehugger” because I have a problem with that line of thinking then so be it.

(that was an example. I’m not really for universal healthcare. The prob could be solved in a WAY cheaper manner if the government were to force drug companies to quit GOUGING consumers/insurance companies. But the conservatives would have a problem with that too so my analogy still works).

Interesting stuff everyone. Rock On!

JohnFreakinG

YOU SAID:
Personally I can’t make the logical leap from “government financed” preschool to the government telling me how to raise my kid….
I SAY:
Dress codes, music appreciation censorship … required reading lists …
Then deem me ill-logical if need be.
It was ill-logical to think that Challenger would explode …

At least you try to be fair Bill E, I appreciate that!!!

CARRY ON.

T

I will always try to answer, thanks for noticing!
What do I think you believe in? Can’t tell , you are playing coy…. not my style…

ANSWERS to:
#1. I mean that when you stop letting the consumer make the decisions it gets corrupt and therefore is more open to greed. Examples: regulated monopolies, bail outs, Gov’t financed housing, paid surplus crops, etc…
I should have said “as” involved… does that make it more clear to my view? I think it stands to reason that if you want definitions of labels each person will bring their own… that is why I speak for myself only.

2. No health insurance. That is why we have failed as capitalists, I do pay for it. Let him bleed .. I don’t care. Let his wife choose a better mate … unfortunately he breeds also in this scenario so I pay for his kids needs through programs. I only feel sorry for the kids. Clear enough …

3. SEE OUR FUTURE, AKA OBAMA’S PLAN. Government financed Pre-school? .. how about the one that prepares my little snot rocket the best way I see fit?

4. Don’t know what you are, don’t care. It would not change my statement.

I feel like we are playing chess, how about more people, Gusty…Mike…Fred…Barney…Wilma?

CARRY ON.

T