More people blindly love/follow Sarah Palin, without question, than those who attack her. And if you pay close enough attention – those who are attacking her are the same blind followers of Obama. The blind attacking the blind while we logical independents sit to the side…..laughing.

Admittedly its making a very very entertaining election year! This is the most engaged I have been since 2000.

wasn’t it the blind conservative allegiance that Karl Rove saw and exploited that brought us W? Would it be fair to say that his presidency is a disaster? I think the blind thing cuts deeply both ways

John G,
I think it was the allegiance to morals and values that Rove saw for W’s 1st term. He sold the “No BJ’s will happen on our watch” , to the right and people that vote for values in the center.
As for the 2nd term, WOW I don’t know… maybe fear… I can’t say I get the 2nd term. That is when I started my 3rd party watch. Truth is I think there is blind loyalties coming from all directions.

Tony,

I wholeheartedly agree that was what Rove sold and he is an excellent salesman! My thoughts on Rove are kind of like being a Detroit Pistons fan. We didn’t like Michael Jordan but there’s no denying that he may be the best ever.

My point toward the blind allegiance is this. Conservatives sure are proud that W didn’t get BJ’s unless it was from Laura (and I highly doubt that). Yet they don’t seem to have a problem with the ridiculously long list of immoral things that he has done as president.

They bitch about Clintons BJ but defend the steamroller to war that Bush was driving.

They champion Bush as a defender of freedom but brush off claims of his staff blowing the cover of a CIA agent because her husband pissed them off ……..and then pardons the guy that got caught lying under the oath that conservative Christians hold so dear. Or at least did when Clinton lied under oath.

The list goes on and on but conservatives have an excuse for every one of them. If that isn’t LITERALLY blind allegiance and putting party above country then someone will need to define blind allegiance to me.

I’m neither a Rep. or a Dem. I’ve been a third party guy since I can remember. In some ways both candidates scare me. But to listen to consrevatives call ANYBODY’s allegiance blind is just comical!

Thanks for letting me bounce my irrelevant opinions off of you and anybody else that actually read this all the way through

John G

John G,
Like I said, blind allegiance comes from all sides. I think it is a by-product of indoctrination, both religiously and politically.
Remember that the basis of most religions is blind faith and for Christians it is the central ingredient for “salvation”.
As for the deal with conservatives giving W a pass on his obvious less than moral choices, I have a 2 part reply.

1. I am conservative, did not vote for W and I am not a Christian. He is a self-serving man … so NO PASS from me. Perhaps you may be equating the religious right with conservatives and most people will agree with you, but there are several us conservatives that do not hold to scriptural interpretations for our values. ( I’ll make a deal with you, I won’t assume you hug trees and drop acid all day if you don’t assume that all conservatives are Christians.)
2. I am not defending this way of thinking in any way, but the Bible rails against sex and perversion way more than war, so these people truly feel that this is a righteous view… and pixie dust heals all wounds.

CARRY ON

T

Blind allegiance is a great way to put it Tony. I won’t argue for a second that generally people that like Obama generally just like Obama. I don’t think many of them actually pay much attention to what his proposed policies REALLY are.

He’s saying what they want to hear at times like these. Redistributing the wealth sounds good to people that are struggling, which ALOT of them are. Of course that doesn’t make any of it right but he’s working on their emotion. Just like any good politician would do if he wants to win (and Rove is the absolute best ………so far. We’ll see if Obama can close it)

Obama scares me but at this moment I’d take a sock puppet if he can start tomorrow. I like McCain and was leaning his way but you guys blew it for me because there’s no way I can vote for him now. You guys just keep F’n wih me politically!

OK here’s my root conservative problem and maybe you guys can educate me. And I mean everything I say in all due respect. You know me JGUSTY and you know I don’t mean any harm. Just trying to understand.

OK so tell me if I’m wrong. I’m assuming Tony that you are in the minority conservative wise (God bless you).

Abortion and gay marriage drives ALOT of conservative votes. And there tends to be a self righteous tone when alot of Christian conservatives go about expressing that. All the while ignoring the massive plank(s) in Bush’s eye. I’ll spare you the looooong list. And went and voted for him in HUGE numbers.

Now I’m not invoking God into all of this. The Christian conservatives did. Rove jumped in bed with the church told them what they wanted to hear when it came to abortion and gay marriage and their HUGE audiences fell over themselves getting to the polls.

Did somebody say blind allegiance?

And the abortion gay thing pulled it off twice! And just so happened to take a religion that I do my best to be humbly devoted to along with it.

That’s right ………..when it comes to W. I blame the conservatives (except for you Tony).

There I said it.

Tony very nice to meet you and JGUSTY you ROCK and I absolutely appreciate you and all you do up to and including this forum.

Going to drop a tab and squat in my tree and be one with nature now ………..pass the pixie dust this way Tony.

J

John G,
(Thanks for excusing me from Bush, all Liberals aren’t haters I see.)
I think the answer , as I see it, is in your latest reply. We have both conceded that the lemmings are swimming in both red and blue waters. They will vote as instructed. So instead of blaming conservatives for winning an election… which was the objective … maybe the liberals should accept the fact that they are less united. The main reason that I can’t stand the “Liberal Stance” … as a whole NOT individuals, is this:. They would rather blame the right for their defeat instead of saying we lost. The left inherently passes the blame and wants somebody to take care of it for them. (AKA Big Government.) Since you understand Biblical analogies, Liberal agendas = Tower of Babel. Thus I am a proud 3rd party conservative. This is a pleasure to read other views without anger or bating … Thanks!
Hey, if the Libertarians won maybe we wouldn’t have to hide the pixie dust….

CARRY ON.

T

The reason Sarah Palin is so popular among those who reside on the ‘Right’ is because she is the ONLY Conservative candidate.

Ronald Reagan won twice by being Conservative, you’d think the Republican Party would have learned something from all that. But noooooooooooo…….they keep nominating liberals and ‘moderates’.

Republicans deserve to lose elections to the demo-commies, there is barely any difference between them.

Matt,
Do you not think Bob Barr is conservative?
I find him to be the most intelligent candidate while staying on a strong conservative course.
From my view point Palin definitely reaches the conservatives that think Jesus and dinosaurs were about 4000 years apart. But She concerns those of us that feel that is complete bunk. Would you as an educated man not concede that her views are worrisome? One thing that I will give her credit for…

***Though in her race for governor she called for faith-based “intelligent design” to be taught along with evolution in Alaska’s schools, Gov. Palin has not sought to require it, state educators say.

***From the L A Times

CARRY ON.
T

One comment about the Reagan victories if I may. Reagan may have touched conservatives and I’m sure that had something to do with his victories.

But let’s also keep in mnd that he ran against Carter, who had about the worst four years as a president in modern history (very little of which was his doing but he didn’t exactly handle things like a champ either) and then ran against Mondale/Ferraro. Not exactly a political juggernaut either.

Is there a party ever in the history of the world that can put out such lame candidates? The repubs come close but the dems OWN this category. Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry …………..they make Clinton and Carter look good enough not to make the list of twits they have nominated.

JohnG

Tony,

The best thing about Barr is that while staying on a “strong conservative course” he avoids the “God card” because of the party philosophy.

They are fairly strict constitutionalists. Which helps him avoid the social conservatism movement or the “wedge issues”. They let the documents speak for themselves and let the states run themselves. Now that’s my kind of conservative!

Ahhhhh dare to dream

My thoughts regarding Palin in case anybody cares …………..

I give her big credit for taking on the establishment. I don’t know enough to say for sure but from what I gather maybe she started becoming the establishment to a degree? Don’t know don’t care. The thought of her being pres. scares me for many reasons.